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Tesco backdated pay issue - n/g
07 February 2018 15:14 Post ID: #77320 - in reply to #77276
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From experience, I know that grading different jobs is a bloody nightmare.

I once had a standup row with a grading committee who insisted that a chemist's job was of a higher grade than a sales rep's. I disagreed based on the 15 criteria that were used to rate the positions.

I've not followed the Tesco thing too closely but it appears that the real question is whether the warehouse jobs and store jobs are of similar total "job points" rather than one of sex. If this is true then there is a case. If however Tesco can show that it rigorously grades jobs fairly, then there is no case to answer.
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07 February 2018 17:06 Post ID: #77331 - in reply to #77276
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This is a follow on from the successfull GMBS tribunal case against ASDA where the roles where found to be of equal value, which is subject to appeal. If the decision is upheld ASDA will have to backdate the claims to date of entry . It may not be the full £3.00per hour as i think Tesco surprisingly still pay a premium for unsociable hours. Good luck to them i say.
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07 February 2018 17:20 Post ID: #77334 - in reply to #77276
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Thanks for the input everyone.

Actually, I did not see this as a gender issue. Having worked for a national company (In my case, a bank) until 5 years ago, all our jobs became graded under a points system in accordance with a generic description of what the job entailed and the responsibilities in about 1992.

At the time I was switching between two jobs that had the same grade but when the new gradings came out, the job that was described as mine was under Band D while the other job was under the higher Band E.

Each Grade had a lower and upper salary figure but because my grade was in the lower band, I hit my "salary ceiling" quickly so my salary became effectively frozen.

IMHO, I was convinced that the Band D job was far more difficult and technical as opposed to the Band E job which admittedly required more customer interaction. I was still asked to do the Band E job on occasion but received no extra money for doing so.

I later learned that points were in the hundreds if not thousands and the Grade D job was something like four points short of qualifying for Band E.

What this all hinges on is who decides which role is more important and valuable in making the company successful. In huge organisations, this must be impossible to quantify so can only be based on subjective opinions which makes it a grey area.

I will certainly be fascinated to read the whole of the legal arguments and the ruling when the court has passed judgement.
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07 February 2018 17:23 Post ID: #77336 - in reply to #77276
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You`re right SP, it will boil down to how the various job roles are configured and scored. A large organisation such as Tesco will certainly have a host of varied but detailed job descriptions clearly defined in order to work out skill-sets needed to fill posts and decide pay points. Considering the size of Tesco, it`s hard to imagine that they would not have carried out a formal equality assessment for every job description, prior to adoption.

Tesco has graded hourly pay rates and also operates a location pay band. Not sure what, precisely, the nub of the issue is but you`d have thought that the company`s own pay panel should be capable of sorting it out, rather than the matter being taken to a higher body.

Sounds like Tesco being too big for their Boots !

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07 February 2018 17:59 Post ID: #77339 - in reply to #77276
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I think in the ASDA case what was the key decider for the store assistants was the value accorded to being customer facing . With the some of the drawbacks associated with that.






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07 February 2018 18:25 Post ID: #77340 - in reply to #77276
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I think it will come down to different roles and how the contracts are worded - a warehouse role skill sets would be very different to a checkout operator.

Just remember who will ultimately pay for this - the consumer!

As a business we are trying to grade all jobs 1 to 20 across 10s of 1000s of employees in 76 countries - its a nightmare, even down to company cars which in the UK is part of packages and seen as a perk whereas in some European countries no one wants a car
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08 February 2018 07:19 Post ID: #77365 - in reply to #77276
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Interesting how the feminazi brigade have hijacked this story to fit their completely untrue gender pay gap narrative when in actuality it has nothing to do with gender.

In terms of this issue, however, facing customers should be given more priority to a company in my opinion and also be more highly respected in society. We expect these people to treat us with the utmost respect and politeness and also to bend over backwards to make our experience as best as possible. And then we as a society look down our noses at these people in retail positions and pay them pittance.
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08 February 2018 07:29 Post ID: #77367 - in reply to #77276
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Interesting discussion...

I run a business unit on behalf of a very large company and had an issue recently with one of my female internal sales people. She had been there a lot longer than any of the male sales staff but was on the same basic wage. The only difference was she had been on maternity leave twice....

If she hadn’t I am convinced her basic wages would have been higher than the men in the same job....

It’s not correct in my opinion but it still goes on in business where at times equality comes a long way down the list.

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08 February 2018 08:43 Post ID: #77376 - in reply to #77365
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NedFlanders - 8/2/2018 07:19

In terms of this issue, however, facing customers should be given more priority to a company in my opinion and also be more highly respected in society.


That's not how things are going though, in the Tesco in Canary Wharf 95%+ of people go through the self scan tills. There is an Amazon supermarket in Seattle which doesn't even have checkouts, you just pick up what you want from the shelves, and then go.
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08 February 2018 09:07 Post ID: #77378 - in reply to #77376
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3x6: you're clutching at straws with irrelevance
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08 February 2018 09:08 Post ID: #77379 - in reply to #77276
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Durham , you are probably correct when you state the cunsumer will end up paying. However the the big 4 supermarkets are losing customers to Aldi and Lidl. I use Aldi personally not due to prices but because they do not open in Dec 26th.
Tesco do have some questionable business practices towards their produce suppliers and local councils. With Asda not having the best reputation for their treatment of staff. Yes both are large private sector employers , but can contracts consisting of a total 4-16 hours be classed as jobs, in my book that is a hobby.
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08 February 2018 09:54 Post ID: #77382 - in reply to #77340
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DurhamGills - 7/2/2018 18:25

I think it will come down to different roles and how the contracts are worded - a warehouse role skill sets would be very different to a checkout operator.



I've not worked for Tescos since my student days but I don't think the roles would have changed majorly, but the two roles back then were:

Warehouse role -
Got deliveries off the trucks and moved them into the warehouse where they would need to be sorted, stock checked and various logistical skills to make sure the various items were stored in the right place. Half the time the task was outside and shifts meant you were either starting hours before the store opened so that the night staff could finish stacking the shelves or working until midnight to get all the late deliveries into the warehouse rather than leave the stock outside.

Store Assistant -
Get trolleys from warehouse based upon the lanes they are responsible for and move the stock onto the shelves as necessary. There is some interaction with the customer which usually involves telling the customer to look down lane five when the item they want is in lane six. Some are trained to work the tills so will be required to switch to a cashier role during busy times. These people were usually paid more even if they didn't sit on the tills for that shift.

There were a lot of key differences between the roles which would have an impact on the wage rate. The fact the warehouse role work hours would merge into anti-social hours and the outdoors aspect would usual lead to a slightly hire wage rate in order to encourage people to apply.
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08 February 2018 11:12 Post ID: #77395 - in reply to #77276
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Baghdad,. working outside or in freezers do not gain any value points by the way.
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08 February 2018 11:38 Post ID: #77397 - in reply to #77276
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It's not just checkout staff and shelf fillers in a supermarket though. What about the other departments? Bakery - start a 5, deli at 6, etc, and that was in the old days when shops opened at 8. You also need to know about all the stock you sell on your department. So as I've worked in various shops over the years and have family that work at the Asda depot, I know which role is more difficult and which staff are valued more, and they are not the same.

That must be my longest post ever.
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08 February 2018 12:07 Post ID: #77400 - in reply to #77395
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myonlygillingham - 8/2/2018 11:12

Baghdad,. working outside or in freezers do not gain any value points by the way.


If Tescos need people to work in the warehouse and they aren't getting enough applicants prepared to work outside then they will increase the wage until people are enticed to apply. Jobs involving working the night shift tend to get paid more than those on the day shift as employers know people would only want to do the day shift. There are exceptions of course,
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08 February 2018 12:26 Post ID: #77402 - in reply to #77397
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Teg64 - 8/2/2018 11:38

It's not just checkout staff and shelf fillers in a supermarket though. What about the other departments? Bakery - start a 5, deli at 6, etc, and that was in the old days when shops opened at 8. You also need to know about all the stock you sell on your department. So as I've worked in various shops over the years and have family that work at the Asda depot, I know which role is more difficult and which staff are valued more, and they are not the same.

That must be my longest post ever.


From my old experience, those in the bakery or fish counter would be on a different pay scheme.

Since someone working on the fish counter would presumably be trained to be able to fillet a fish of bones on customer request plus have training on hygiene then they were considered higher skilled.

Workers on the cheese counter were supposed to know about different types of cheeses and be able to recommend a good cheese depending on what the customer wanted cheese for their lasagna topping, part of a cheese board or to make various cheese sauces. In most cases this knowledge was learnt on the job.

For those in the bakery section where the breads needed to be (finished) baked fresh on site, they would need some training in bakery skills unless the worker was simply hired to fetch the Kingsmill from the back and put it on the shelves.

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08 February 2018 12:31 Post ID: #77403 - in reply to #77276
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Back when I worked in tesco/somerfield/ sava centre, we were all on the same pay, I know this because I worked I the bakery and deli. Could be different now though.
I know the Asda depot staff are treated far better then the store staff, they get far more perks.

Edited by Teg64 8/2/2018 12:35
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